Forums - alpha 3 top tier Show all 28 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Strategy & Tactics (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10) -- alpha 3 top tier (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4328) Posted by extraguy on 03:29:2001 07:04 AM: can somebody list the top tiers in each ism alpha 3. Posted by MiamiX-Alex on 03:29:2001 10:28 AM: Here's the top tier: Dhalsim- any ism VAkuma VCharlie VSakura VKarin VZangief VSodom VRyu Thats basically the top tier in no particular order except for Dhalsim being 1st. MiamiX-Alex Posted by SinfestBoy on 03:29:2001 10:36 AM: y is dhalsiem so good? what is soo good about him? Posted by Brandon Lee on 03:29:2001 11:39 AM: Interesting. V-ism Zangief is probably the best but most people I see, for some reason, are bent on using X-ism Zangief. Posted by ShinRyuX on 03:29:2001 11:59 AM: V-Vega is another top tier or near top tier imo and I think he beats dhalsim in any isms. X-Rolento and V-Akuma are also great against Dhalsims. V-Akuma beats everyone except for V-Sak and V-Ryu. But V-Sak and V-Ryu don't beat everyone that V-Akuma beats. For example, V-Ryu has a tough time with Dhalsim and Vega. V-Akuma is useful for rushing down someone. V-Charlie is ok but I think he gets into trouble versus V-Sak, V-Akuma, V-Ryu, A-Sim. I personally hold V-Sakura as the best character in A3. She has everything you need to win and she is just solid. [This message has been edited by ShinRyuX (edited 03-29-2001).] Posted by nE0|_i|_iTh on 03:29:2001 05:07 PM: quote: Originally posted by Brandon Lee: Interesting. V-ism Zangief is probably the best but most people I see, for some reason, are bent on using X-ism Zangief. It's because XGief does damage like hell. His normal SPD does way too much damage. -------------------- [tag? tag? taaaag??!?!?Where art thou?] Posted by Brandon Lee on 03:29:2001 05:27 PM: quote: Originally posted by nE0|_i|_iTh: It's because XGief does damage like hell. His normal SPD does way too much damage. But not being able to air block means Gief can't jump much at or ever, because an opponent with good AA will take him out everytime. I was watching V-ism Sakura face X-ism Zangief. The Sakura master was able to zone Zangief and hit him out of the air with normal kicks. Only when Zangief was directly on top of Sakura, did he have a chance to throw. Needs to say, the Sakura player won. Posted by nE0|_i|_iTh on 03:29:2001 05:43 PM: quote: Originally posted by Brandon Lee: But not being able to air block means Gief can't jump much at or ever, because an opponent with good AA will take him out everytime. I was watching V-ism Sakura face X-ism Zangief. The Sakura master was able to zone Zangief and hit him out of the air with normal kicks. Only when Zangief was directly on top of Sakura, did he have a chance to throw. Needs to say, the Sakura player won. Of course this is a drawback. What I meant is, Gief has power and this is what those XGief players see. Whenever they succeed in a FAB the opponent is almost gone. The lack of Air Guard is one of the biggest draw back that a XGief has. This is true, but I think he can also counter a lot. Think of it, his Lariat is a very good Anti Air. By the way, Gief has this walk up SPD, so that he doesn't necessarily need to jump anymore. -------------------- [tag? tag? taaaag??!?!?Where art thou?] Posted by Renagade on 03:29:2001 11:32 PM: I think the TOP tier right now is Dhalsim V gief V akuma The others are slightly lower. VRyu VSakura VKarin VVega XRolento XChun I think V Charlie and V Sodom a little below that. I'll kill you... Kill you alot! Posted by Brandon Lee on 03:29:2001 11:45 PM: quote: Originally posted by nE0|_i|_iTh: Of course this is a drawback. What I meant is, Gief has power and this is what those XGief players see. Whenever they succeed in a FAB the opponent is almost gone. The lack of Air Guard is one of the biggest draw back that a XGief has. This is true, but I think he can also counter a lot. Think of it, his Lariat is a very good Anti Air. By the way, Gief has this walk up SPD, so that he doesn't necessarily need to jump anymore. Sakura's hadoken (smallest one) combined with her roundhouse kept the X-ism Zangief away for most of the match. Plus whenever Zangief made a mistake, Sakura did the standard jab, short, into the Shoryuken. Posted by darkumas on 03:29:2001 11:54 PM: quote: Originally posted by Renagade: I think the TOP tier right now is Dhalsim V gief V akuma The others are slightly lower. VRyu VSakura VKarin VVega XRolento XChun I think V Charlie and V Sodom a little below that. I'll kill you... Kill you alot! Um Aism charlie is higher than most the of the v ism chars u just mentioned. just thought id let u know. then again Vism sakura is way higher than u put her. check ur lista gain. D Posted by WMoose on 03:30:2001 05:41 AM: Alrighty top teir in this order is: V/A/X Dhalsim V Charlie V/A Zangeif V Sakura V Akuma V Ryu X/V Rolento V Sodom V Karin Close but no cigar: V Ken A Charlie A Rolento Posted by blt on 03:30:2001 06:42 AM: its generally accepted that the top 5 chars are dhalsim,zangief,akuma,ryu,and sakura. but which one goes where. well the shotos go even with sakura. they have a slight disadvantage to zangief and dhalsim. while ryu has a really hard fight against sim, akuma has a fighting chance due to his speed,dive kick,demon flips etc. akuma also has the ability to take off huge amounts of life with VC's, something Ryu can't do till he gets the opponent cornered. this also factors in.. akuma is just better than ryu due to these Vc's. sakura has a disadvantage to gief and loses big-time to dhalsim. her vC's are only moderately powerful. in a fight where VC's are landed, she will lose to akuma, while not having much to fear from Ryu. gief just owns, but dhalsim is a hard fight for him. he presses the shotos really well and sakura is in his favor (although slight, tournament results from japan consistently place zangief players above sakura ones). his vc's also do incredible amounts of damage. dhalsim.. loses to no one. he destroys sakura and ryu pretty well. has the advantage on akuma especially with his ability to special escape from v juggles. and kills gief bad. leaving us with the very top tier of dhalsim #1 zangief #2. v akuma #3. and then v sak #4 v ryu #5. i also personally agree with navarros assessment of charlie being top tier..maybe higher than ryu.. Posted by extraguy on 03:30:2001 08:08 AM: why is dhalsim and sakura so good? can someone explain how to use them, cause im currently only using v-karin. Posted by Renagade on 03:31:2001 08:28 AM: To Darkumas, A-Charlie is weak. Since his Visms are so good and do incredible damage, why bother picking A? Also, sakura is top 5, how much higher can she go? To W-Moose. V Charlie is good, but he's not #2. Look at tourney results. I'd take BLT's opinion over mine of course, but gameplay and common sense say he doesn't beat Sim, or gief, and Akuma has a better V game plus a dragon punch. He might go in the 4-6 range with Ryu and Sakura. But his reliance on normals for anti air hurts him somewhat. Bcuz normals can be beat, whereas DPs or a lariat can't. And if certain characters have a jump in that beats him, he HAS to use a V for anti air. But that's just my limited opinion so far. I'll tell you more after I play in more tournements. Posted by nE0|_i|_iTh on 03:31:2001 11:33 AM: About that VCharlie <-> ACharlie thing: I think that ACharlie is pretty strong. I can just remember Thao Duong (I hope I spelled that correctly ^_^v) used him at B4. He kicked ass with him. Posted by nE0|_i|_iTh on 03:31:2001 11:36 AM: quote: Originally posted by Brandon Lee Sakura's hadoken (smallest one) combined with her roundhouse kept the X-ism Zangief away for most of the match. Plus whenever Zangief made a mistake, Sakura did the standard jab, short, into the Shoryuken. This discussion about XGief vs Sakura seems to lead nowhere. Whereas, I get your point that Sakura beats XGief. All that I was saying is that XGies is _just_ darn strong, nothing more. Btw, I prefer VGief, I don't use XGief at all. Posted by bahn on 03:31:2001 12:23 PM: quote: Originally posted by nE0|_i|_iTh About that VCharlie <-> ACharlie thing: I think that ACharlie is pretty strong. I can just remember Thao Duong (I hope I spelled that correctly ^_^v) used him at B4. He kicked ass with him. Yup. Thao's Charlie is definitely a force to be reckoned with. Solid ground and anti-air tactics; backed by his Lvl 3 Somersault Justice Combo was what allowed him to successfully take out many players. (Proved to be a good inspiration for me since I've seen him play at ECC4 and 2000). Posted by blt on 03:31:2001 02:16 PM: charlie i think A Charlie might be a little more solid than V. V combos are nice, but A Charlie is goign to be doing a ton more damage and guard break with all those normals pinning the opponent on the ground. and his combos do a ton of damage if you use that level 3 somersault super Posted by Fakefist on 03:31:2001 07:06 PM: I think that the ground pinning is the whole point of using V-charlie, though...once you make it clear that they're not going to do much on the ground, you force...no, *compel* the opponent into going aerial, and thereby into your VC, which is almost a non-choice for your opponent (cuz everyone who plays A3 well *knows* you're going to hit them with that VC). It's like having a character with a built-in 'auto' mindgame, and that's nice. -Q. Posted by Transparent Mind on 03:31:2001 07:09 PM: Can someone post MVC2 top tier characters? Posted by Renagade on 03:31:2001 11:09 PM: While I agree that putting the level 3 somersault justice in a combo is nice, the utility of Vism makes it better for any character who can use it decently. Not to mention one can build on average a 100% V bar in a round (provided you dont land one that takes 80% damage). As opposed to an Aism bar which takes about a round and a half to build up to 3. and transparant mind, there are plenty of other threads that discuss MVC2's top tier, most notably Viscant's 'The View from here' thread. Go there. Posted by ThisGuileKillYa on 04:01:2001 12:09 AM: Transparent Mind.... makes a new thread asking for the MvC2 top tier guys and I'll give you a very detailed analysis of them. But it wouldnt fit well here and no one would know to look in this thread since it's for A3 And on the A3 topic.. while it seems Sim, Ryu, Akuma, Sakura, and Gief are winning the opinion polls.. dont forget Karen. I cant use V cuz I play it on DC, but even her A game seems really good and if could use some nasty Vcombos w/ her.. whoa LOL I wanna give A Chun another look. Ive realized Chun is prob my best CvS char and Bahn seems pretty convinced that A Chun is good.. Posted by Renagade on 04:01:2001 03:32 AM: This Guile, A Chun is very good. I use Chun li almost exclusively against competiton. She has the godly low roundhouse, a superior cross up, and good priority on most all her normals. I use A Chun mostly, for airblocking and the upkick and puffball supers... but Xchun may be better. She's faster, and does more damage with the moves she uses most often (low RH). I'll stand by A-chun out of habit... since she has more (albeit sometimes not as good) options. A Chun definitely has more options against a fireball trap, and can alpha counter. Posted by bahn on 04:01:2001 04:59 AM: quote: Originally posted by Transparent Mind Can someone post MVC2 top tier characters? Here's a solution Transparent, create a "MvC2 top tier characters" thread. Posted by bahn on 04:01:2001 05:16 AM: quote: Originally posted by Renagade This Guile, A Chun is very good. I use Chun li almost exclusively against competiton. She has the godly low roundhouse, a superior cross up, and good priority on most all her normals. I use A Chun mostly, for airblocking and the upkick and puffball supers... but Xchun may be better. She's faster, and does more damage with the moves she uses most often (low RH). I'll stand by A-chun out of habit... since she has more (albeit sometimes not as good) options. A Chun definitely has more options against a fireball trap, and can alpha counter. Yeah she's good (of course, my fellow colleague of all things Chun; blt will provide reasonings based on high level play why she's not the optimal choice), I use her regardless: a. she's fun to use b. I discover lots of diversity with A that is unavailable in X/V. I only utilize A/X-Chun. If you're able to effectively play A, then you should also be just as skilled in X; though her style is more OG and if you're the type that jumps around unconsciously as you'd do with A (only to find you're getting slapped down in each attempt, establishing a solid air game is definitely in order - especially since you're more at risk to juggles and V-ism combos). Anyone that can get down the basics with her by establishing a tight ground game in particular can be effective with her, she's not hard to use. The choice IMO is contingent upon your opponent (X-Sodom, V-Karin, V-Akuma in particular come to mind as being equally challenging for her based on high level play). The most difficult battle for her seems to be highly skilled players using V-ism...but she's definitely good on X. Posted by XxMuDkNoTxX on 04:01:2001 06:05 AM: I like Dhalsim I use him in my team in MVC2 I am trying to master him hehe Posted by Nos99 on 04:01:2001 08:15 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fakefist I think that the ground pinning is the whole point of using V-charlie, though...once you make it clear that they're not going to do much on the ground, you force...no, *compel* the opponent into going aerial, and thereby into your VC, which is almost a non-choice for your opponent (cuz everyone who plays A3 well *knows* you're going to hit them with that VC). It's like having a character with a built-in 'auto' mindgame, and that's nice. I guess that's where Drop-thru VCs come in.. That's one thing I don't like about A3. It's just easier to pick V. I mean, pretty much any character comes equipped with the built-in V-game. The natural counter is V.. Everybody picks V. hehe, anyhow.. enough ranting Besides the extra damage and the lvl.3 what makes A-Charlie better than V? Lvl3 isn't always going to be there either. It won't build up fast and you might have to use it for ACs anyhow. Is the trade in meter worth it? Although that extra damage thing is good because Charlie has solid attacks. Anyone know how the Japanese rank him? All times are GMT. The time now is 11:11 PM. Show all 28 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.